What happens when leaders are encouraged to embrace their vulnerabilities and integrate their personal struggles into their leadership style? Join us for an enriching conversation with Amy Elizabeth Fox, CEO of Mobius Executive Leadership, as we explore this compelling shift from traditional leadership models to those that embody kindness, humility, and spiritual maturity. Amy recounts her own journey through early life adversities and health challenges, revealing how these experiences have shaped her path toward becoming a healer and leader. Together, we delve into the importance of self-exploration and emotional authenticity in cultivating true empathy and effective leadership.
Our discussion uncovers the deep connections between personal trauma and professional life, highlighting the transformative power of creating spaces for genuine emotional expression in the corporate world. Amy and I share our thoughts on how acknowledging and addressing our inner truths can foster deeper connections and combat the epidemic of loneliness and superficiality that pervades today’s work environments. We also discuss the profound impact of intergenerational trauma on leadership styles, examining how historical events like colonialism and war have left lasting emotional scars that affect not only those who experienced them firsthand but also future generations.
In a heartfelt conclusion, we reflect on the wisdom and joy found in later life, particularly as we age into our 70s. Amy shares her inspirations from retreats with figures like Ram Dass and the importance of finding sanctuary and adopting a slower, more contemplative rhythm of life. We celebrate the richness that comes with being present in the moment and express our gratitude for the opportunity to share these insights with thoughtful listeners. This episode is a testament to the ongoing journey of healing and growth, and the fulfillment that comes with embracing our vulnerabilities and authentic selves.
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Malcolm Stern has worked as a group and individual psychotherapist for more than 30 years. He was a co-founder of Alternatives at St James’s Church in London and runs groups internationally.
He is the author of Falling in Love / Staying in Love (Piatkus 2004) and Slay Your Dragons with Compassion ( Watkins 2020). He co-presented Channel 4’s relationship series, ‘Made for Each Other’ in 2003 and 2004 and sailed on the ‘Rainbow Warrior’ with Greenpeace in the 1980s. The book he is currently writing is an exploration of the shadow and its necessity in our evolutionary development.

To become equal to the dream sewn within us, our heart must break open and usually must break more than once. That’s why they say that the only heart worth having is a broken heart. For only in breaking can it open fully and reveal what is hidden within.” – Michael Meade
This is a series of podcasts based on the premise explored in Malcolm Stern’s acclaimed book of the same name, that adversity provides us with the capacity to develop previously unexplored depths and is , in effect , a crucible for self reflection and awareness. Malcolm lost his daughter Melissa to suicide in 2014. It slowly dawned on him over the following few years that he was being educated and an opportunity was being presented where new insights helped him forge a path through his grief and despair. As part of that cathartic journey, he wrote “ Slay Your Dragons with Compassion ( Watkins 2020 ) where he was able to describe some of the practices that had helped him shed light on a way through the darkness.